Using what we know of Alpharius's character, and relationships.

How do you think he got on with the other Primarchs.


Lion el Jonsson
Horus
Magnus
Lemen Russ
Corax
Roboute Gullieman
Jaghatai Khan
Mortarion
Rogal Dorn
Fulgrim
Purturabo
Night Haunter
Sanguinnius
Lorgar
Vulkan
Ferrus Mannus
Angron

What kind of rappor did Alpharius have with his brothers?

Well we all know that he respected Horus, and that he din't get along with Roboute, he probably didn't get along with the more "dominant personality" Primarchs, like Dorn, Lorgar, Angron, Russ, Vulkan and Curze (MPD). can probably see him not getting along with our angsty Primarchs as well, ie. Lion, Morty, Purty, Sangy, Haunter (remember he's the MPD primarch), and i cant see him liking the more obessesive Primarchs too. Magnus (Ob: Magicand knowledge), Fulgrim (Ob: martial skill and hair) Ferrus (Ob: weakeness and machines).

with brothers like that no wonder you'd like you twin better than the rest.

think he and Corax would have been rivals. I think he'd like Dorn and Sanginuis, even if he didn't agree with how they fought. Hero-worshipped Horus from all accounts. Would have had a degree of contempt for Russ and Angron.

He probably didn't know them all that well - he had really a quite short period after he was found until the Heresy, the Great Crusade was in full swing, so they would have all been scattered about, and he tended to avoid parties and functions.

In one of the old Chaos Space Marines codexes it says that there was a huge dislike between Alpha Legion and Imperial Fists and that they clashed on more then one occasion even before the Heresy.

I would imagine Alpharius didn't like much those of straightforward tactics. So I can't see him making good friends with el Jonsson, Russ, Gullieman, Khan, Mortarion, Dorn, Sanguinnius, Lorgar and Angron.

Horus was a big brother who was influencing Alpharius more than the Emperor himself. Purturabo was all about the right amount of preparations so he would have been O.K. with Alpharius. So would be Magnus because he believed in the power of knowledge. I can't say much about the rest of the Primarchs other than that IMHO Corax, Night Haunter and Vulkan had similar military tactics, which resembled the style of combat operations of modern SF.

Although I doubt Alpharius was true friends wiith any of them. I can see him acting civil and had with many conversations with the likes of Khan, Corax, Peturabo, Horus, Night Haunter, and learnt as much as he could from their styles of war.

Gullieman we know.... he hated, and I suspect he probably treated Russ and Angron as stupid children, frothing madmen at best.

I suspect he probably respected Fulgrim and his drive to improve his Legion.

I also think he probably hated Lorgars guts for being relatively tacvticly stupid, and a religous nut, but respected religion at the same time for the masses it could mobolise to your side.

After all.... In the Crusade, there is no religion or Gods.... but that doesnt mean you cant find a way to use it.

From a comment in Legion, I don't know that he hated Gulliman, so much as thought him foolish. He seems to care little for what others think of him, other than Horus and the Emperor.

Am I the only one thinking that he might have found a kindred spirit in Magnus the Red?
Both of them favoured fighting styles which were quite different and frowned upon by their Brother Primarchs. They might have found some common ground, both being in that situation.

I dont think Alpharius would have been entirely comfortable around anyone who he felt could be reading his thoughts.

I think Alpharius would have been very insular, and unlikely to form bonds with any of his brothers except perhaps Horus. He would know that they more time he spent with other Primarchs, the more they would learn about him and his secrets. After all, the Primarchs are different, but none of them are stupid or blind...

I dunno i imagine he privately thought of Russ and Angron as idiot children. And he says he ignores gulliman, amongst brothers that is quite a rebuke. i took his comment to mean he cares little for what the smurf primarch said or thought. I definitely don't see him getting along with dorn. he would have respected magnus IMO but been wary of him for obvious reasons. Corax he would have been ok with but i think Alpharius looked down on most legions as inferior to his won, given his tactical outlook. Would have viewed himself as the complete warrior while the others with the exception of horus only representing a warrior aspect. just my two cents.

I wouldn't say he held Horus in too high a regard, especially compared to the Emperor. He didn't attend when Horus was promoted to warmaster (he sent envoys - Omegon probably) and was accepting of what the Cabal showed him of Horus' corruption.

Guilleman he didn't have time for as he was too dogmatic, where Alpharius was pragmatic.

I agree that he probably looked down on Russ and Angron.

As for the rest I can't comment, though I can see Dorn's personality clashing with the Alpha Legion. The Legion understands and is prepared to make sacrifices where necessary, Dorn was not.

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Good point..... and welcome to the lair.

Welcome Kalarn.
Any way its undeniable that Alpharius hated, if thats the word you would use, Guilliman the most and respected Horus more than the Emperor. They are about the only solid facts we know.

I think that Alpharius disliked Guilliman for obvious reasons. Horus was probably the only one who appeared to understand Alpharius' unorthadox tactics so he respected him greatly. I'm unsure how he felt about the other orimarchs but in my opinion, he probably wouldn't like Dorn, Imperial guard battle tank...I mean Russ, Angron, Lorgar,Sanguinias, El Johnson, Vulkan, Corax and Manus. He may have respected Fulgrim and Magnus but was probably very wary of them both. I think he would have been on okay terms with Curze and Perturabo.

I think curze would have been viewed as incomplete due to focusing solely on terror. Plus cruze would have been viewed as too bloody minded IMO. Peturbo I could see him getting on with quite well.

orry but I would have imagined him getting on quite well with Corax. After all not too dissimilar tactical abilities and not at all pompous like some other Primarchs.

I couldnt see him really getting on well with anyone. Id imangine he would take all h could abut thier styles, beleifs etc and then pretty much ignore them. I think if anyone offered him tactical advice after meeting them, such as Guielleman, he would have developed a dislike for them.

Alpharius probably respected Horus but I'm not sure about hero worship or anything like that. Hero worship was the reason that so many people refused to believe that Horus had gone over to Chaos in the first place.

As for the other primarchs, the only one I can really see Alpharius getting along with is Lion El'Jonson. if you read the DA codex it says that the Lion was a master tactician who planned out every contingency, which led to conflict with the Space Wolves and their "HIT IT IN THE FACE TIL IT STOPS MOVING" approach. The rest of the primarchs I get the feeling he found amusing at best or some mix of annoying and thick.

Oh yea, and as for Guilliman...the guy was an unimaginative, pompous, tool. Seriously, who writes a book and just expects everybody to follow it because he said so...I mean really.

I agree that besides Horus, he probably would have respected Corax for his sabotage tactics and unconventional warfare.

i agree spectral there as an son of perterabo rather than alpha legionry sould piont out at this piont the respect i have for the alpha legion thats 2nd too non other than my grand company i have fort along side your legion on so meny ocasions that i have started useing alpharius techings as a ade to seige warfare and it works ie a khorn bazerker squad in the same silver armour and the rest of my army got over looked witch cost the ultramarines dear but any how drifting off here. none of the primarchs respected perterabo there was 1 conflict that he calculated the exact troductory to fire atilary that won a world he was referd only to as "the comrad" in the after action report by the over primarchs alphaus was not at the conflict in questune but horus was, basicly all the primarch bely even knotest perterabo i dont think alpharus/omagon would have ever but if thay did then thay my have seen a kinderd spiret in him as he was alway trying to proth his worth and that of his legion

I'm sorry, but that is very difficult to read. Could you please add some punctuation?

Did you check when it was posted?

No, I did not. That'll teach me :s

Why would Alpharius like/dislike his brothers purely on their tactics? I mean, Alpharius might very well be great buddies with Russ, despite him being quite a brute.

Battle strategies/tactics might not be the main criteria for liking/disliking one's brothers. Alpharius didn't dislike Roboute Guilliman simply for using different military doctrines, but mainly because Guilliman was very arrogant about it and tried to shove it down Alpharius' throat.

I can see him disliking Dorn too, not because of his tactics, but because of Dorn's stubborn personality which would probably lead him into conflict with Alpharius. Some wrong remark or something...

I think Alpharius would fo gotten along with Corax most with anyone both having smiliar personalites and tactics.

Horus he was closes too though being the one he hung with most appart from Omagon.

Dorn and Gilliman it is told he did not like.

the others he proberly was indiffrent too, after all he dident spend much time with any of the other Primarchs.

Jest my thoughts

i dont think he and Magnus would have gotten along.
Alpharious "i dont want to tell you anything magnus"
Magnus "oh thats okay, i can read your minds, tell your twin i say hello"
Alpharious -im going to kill him if he talks-
Magnus "i heard that"
Alpharious "(Bad Word)"

Lion el Jonsson
Alpharius: Sooooo, how could your world have been destroyed? Hm? *knowing look*

Horus
Alpharius: I serve thee! *holding knife behind his back*

Magnus
Alpharius: Wanna play a word game?

Perturabo
Alpharius: Horus asked me to deliver these tanks. I've tested them. They all work.

Sanguinius
Alpharius: No, I don't think those wings make you look like a total cherub

Leman Russ
Alpharius: I wonder why the Emperor made you attack Prospero if Magnus was well intended.

Conrad Kurze
Alpharius: If you don't pay me, I'll tell the Emperor what I know about you

Lorgar
Alpharius: You know, religion is a lie

Rogal Dorn
Alpharius: You're insecure. Why else do you keep building walls? But I can help you. Trust me.

Corax
Alpharius: I have the key to your legion's salvation. Just, give me your geneseed...

Ferrus Manus
Alpharius: You're the...most perfect...one of us.

Roboute Gullieman
Alpharius: *Angst-filled glare*

Mortarion
Alpharius: You smell funny

Fulgrim
Alpharius: I know you're really a girl. I promise I won't tell the Emperor

Just a point, Leman Russ is not a brute according to "Prospero Burns" It is in fact noted that he is in fact considered to be quite clever, but prefer to hide behind the mask of being a raging barbarian. Not to sound nerdy, but you could bring up a Halo novel quote "remember the wolves". Oddly enough, that wasn't to say that we should charge in there and begin blowing stuff up; it was using simplistic tactics that could be coupled with complicated strategies based around hiding any sign of strategy. You act like a dumb brute, and no one expects you to understand every single maneuver you might try to pull on them.

Honestly, I always thought that the AL would be extremely efficient if they were supported by the Wolves. not going to say that they got along personality wise, but tactics, yes actually.

AHAHAHA!

:lol: :lol:

Now that my friend is funny :D

My favs there are lion el jonsson, Sanguinius, Leman Russ, Lorgar and mortarion. lol i can just imagine their reactions

Particularly Lorgars... ^_^ i can imagine him pulling a dramatic look gopher :lol:

I don't get this one :blink:

Obviously it makes perfect sense in light of deliverance lost, but since Vashuss posted this in Aug 2010, where does this come from? Or is it just a strange co-incidence?

He knew beforehand, good job operative! True Alpha Legion style, hehe

I think Alpharius felt like an outcast among his brothers being the last found and uniquely talented in alternative tactics. He had to at least respect Horus to side with him (regardless of the Cabal) and i know for sure that he thought Girlyman was an idiot

Must be tiresome to constantly have to prove yourself to your peers... :P

I found it amusing that while the other primarchs all pretty much ended up ruling the planets they were raised on when Horus found Alpharias he had the beginnings of his own empire ruling several star systems and a pirate fleet.

First off, all reference to Alpharius in the following post means Alpharius and Omegon.

As others have said, I doubt Alpharius had much chance to get to know most of the other primarchs, given that:

A. he was found a scant few decades before the end of the Cruade
B. he spent far more time with Horus than with the Emperor or any of his brothers
C. after his very brief welcome celebration he headed for the Eastern Fringe

From everything I've read, the only primarchs who have any written interaction with Alpharius are Horus Lupercal, Roboute Guilliman, and Rogal Dorn. We know that he got on well with Horus, which I suspect is mostly because Horus never disdained his conduct or his methods, in fact doing quite the reverse and celebrating them.

The following then are just speculations on my part based mostly on information about the other primarchs' personalities.

These primarchs I think Alpharius would get along with:

Lion el Jonson - Like Alpharius, the Lion has a strategic mind. Like the Alpha Legion, the Dark Angels are a somewhat insular legion. I feel like these two would be kindred spirits, even if they didn't necessarily agree on everything.

Sanguinius - Everybody loved the Angel, and being such close friends with Horus I couldn't see Sanguinius giving Alpharius a hard time.

Perturabo - We don't know a lot about Perturabo, but he seems to be one of the least flamboyant of the primarchs and I feel like Alpharius would respect that.

Magnus the Red - I think Alpharius would respect Magnus and get along cordially with him, but would keep a certain distance due to Magnus's psychic powers. I think he would look particularly favorably on Magnus's practice of seconding his soldiers to other legions to learn their ways and see if there's anything useful for them to take from it.

Konrad Curze - I honestly think most of the primarchs feel a bit sorry for Curze, between his rough upbringing and his self-stated curse of prophecy. I think Alpharius would appreciate Curze's tactics, but I doubt he'd look favorably on the latter's fixation with fear.

Corvus Corax - Corax's quiet personality, which I speculate meant he tended to stay out of the others' feuds, and his focus on deception and subterfuge would make him and Alpharius of like mind on many issues.

Other than Guilliman and Dorn, who we already know Alpharius didn't get along with, I feel he'd be pretty indifferent to the rest of them except perhaps Russ and Angron, as I could see them confronting him over a style of warfare they probably view as cowardly.

I'd agree whole heartedly when it comes to the Night Haunter and the Lion. Made more interesting when you read the short story starring these two, since they seemed to get along well between themselves. And Sanginius, great guy and I mean this in no way as an insult, but I always saw him as Alpharius older sister just as Horus is clearly the older brother figure.