Isildur's Account of the Ring, RESOLVED

RESOLVED

Edit to add track and time:
CR, Disc 1, Track 7, Keep it Secret, Keep it Safe
[7:14] - [7:45]

When Gandalf is in Minas Tirith reading Isildur's account of the Ring, there is some low male chanting going on. The source text could be

The Ring Verse:
Shre nazg golugranu kilmi-nudu
Ombi kuzddurbagu gundum-ishi
Nugu gurunkilu bard gurutu
[color=green]Ash Burz-Durbagu burzum-ishi
Daghburz-ishi makha gulshu darulu
lines above from booklet - translated by Salo

Ash nazg durbatulūk
ash nazg gimbatul,
ash nazg thrakatulūk
lines above from book - translated by Tolkien

agh burzum-ishi krimpatul
line above fan translation?

lines in green, above, are the ones sung in the Wizards' Fight
and while Merry and Pippin flee from the Uruks at Amon Hen.
None of the other lines have been used (that we know of).

or it could be

The Revelation of the Ringwraiths:

Nźbābītham Magānanź
Nźtabdam dāur-ad
Nźpām nźd abārat-aglar
īdō Nidir nźnākham
Bārī’n Katharād

I can't quickly identify either piece as being sung.

The lyrics for the Isildur's Account of the Ring sequence are infact from the Seduction of the Ring poem.
The choir sings the first and the last line of the poem:
I tuo, I macil
A lelyat tśrenna

-Mikko Ojala-

Hi... I'll be back soon to attend to this. Finals are this week. :-)

I don't think the "Isildurs Account of the Ring" -lyrics are from the seduction of the Ring Poem. In the companion-piece to the booklet packed with the complete recorings, it says: "The Seduction of the Ring"
First heard DISC TWO | TRACK TEN,

neither are they from the black speech rings verse
(first heard disc one|track eleven)

This sequence is on disc one, track seven!!

Of course, they could have made a mistake in the booklet, but I don't think so..


I spent hours and hours with this sequence, but I could not hear much
--yet

I think the first words (7:14 - 7:18) are "Ido Bari'n" and the last word is "nepam" (7:40-7:46)?
Do you agree??

Doug Adams confirmed what I said about the lyrics so it is pretty much open and shut case. I wrote to him about it and he said he did not want to make things more complicated by refering to the lyrics in different place than the theme. Hence there is no mention of the Seduction of the Ring lyrics used in the Isildur's Account of the Ring scene but they are there. Believe me and if not me believe Doug Adams.
-Mikko Ojala-

Finals aren't technically done but done enough to play a little.

I listened and I will completely buy that these are the seduction lyrics.

From an isolated clip:
[00:00]I
[00:02]tu
[00:04]o, (pronounced 'ah')
[00:07]I
[00:09]ma
[00:12]cil
[00:15]A (the 'l' is slurred over into this syllable)
[00:17]lel
[00:19]yat (the 'l' i slurred over into this making it more 'lyat')
[00:22]tś
[00:24]ren
[00:27]na

I can totally believe the could make a mistake in the booklet. This may be the results of a different team than past work but there have been numerous mistakes in past work: in sheet music, in symphony lyrics, in liner notes....

It's bit discouraging that a work that kind of 'promised' that all the lyrics will be revealed, has in fact, only provided partial information that is confusing and misleading. Just who were they afraid of confusing by not revealing the full information about these lyrics? Certainly not the people who care about the lyrics. I don't mean to be too testy. I'm so grateful for the work Doug has done and his accessibility to the fans. I just wish they had a better understanding of what we want.

Incanus, you got any more revelations up your sleeve? Thanks so much for posting this. Shall I give credit to 'Incanus' or would you like another name used?

Here's the time stamps for the singing as it appears in the track from the CR.

[07:14] I
[07:17] tu
[07:19] o,
[07:22] I
[07:24] ma
[07:27] cil
[07:29] A
[07:31] lel
[07:34] yat
[07:37] tś
[07:39] ren
[07:41] na

Well Doug Adams has been very helpful and accessible to us fans. The reason that Doug did not want to mention this first appearance of the Seduction lyrics is the fact that it might confuse some people and create a new problem and further explanations would have been in order. So it was for the sake of clarity. He promised that his book will mention this and rectify everything, though it was not a mistake but rather a decision to keep the liners cohesive.
The Seduction lyrics fit the scene perfectly and make perfect of sense when you think of it even without the Seduction theme.

I am a bit obessed about the LOTR lyrics too since I think they are an important part of the LOTR music and add depth to the already deep music.
Sorry that I did not try to make out time stamps but I am little lazy to do those things
I am glad you were so hard working and did the job

Oh and if you want to credit me you can use my real name Mikko Ojala though you could mention my frequent messageboard name Incanus.
Best regards!
-Mikko Ojala-

Yes, the concept of brevity within the liner notes does make sense. Working with text myself (as a graphic designer) this should have occurred to me without your having to point it out.

I agree that the Seduction lyrics fit well here. I'm glad another lyrics obsessed fan has found their way here. I went through a phase where I thought I'd have to give up on the hope of updating since I just don't have the time I once did. Realizing I could ask for help and tap into all these people who were doing the same work was a great revelation. I appreciate your help, and that of all the other people who help out with one contribution or many.

If you're interested in contributing more (and I think I see another thread in which you've posted - haven't checked it out yet) I might be able to provide a few more resouces. If you're interested you could contact me by PM-ing me through this site (you might need to be a member, I'm not sure) or finding my email address at my website and emailing me. If you don't wish to do this, that's fine.

Thanks again,
Magpie

p.s. I have a program that makes it easy to do the time stamps if I can hear what's being sung. This one was easy... so no problem. If you make a suggestion that I can't hear, well of course, that's not really easy - in fact, it's impossible.

First of all I have to say


SORRY!!!


I listened to this sequence yesterday and I immediatelly realised that you are right... I think I was so sure about the whole "Revelation of the Ringwraiths"-thing that I've been deaf for everything else...
I've figured out the time stamps, but they are already posted, so I'm no use at all...

All I can say is, my ears are human, not elven
AND I've learned one thing: I'll NEVER post a reply again BEFORE I've checked out the new possibility.

I don't need Doug Adams' confirmation, for I believe you (now that I've heard it myself ) ...
So again SORRY and thanks for solving that "mystery"...

You are LOTS of use, Sabsi. I'm glad you can hear it too, because three times the charm, so they say. And, btw... I've done the same thing - posted before really attending to the issue. And I learned the same thing you did.

I'm declaring these lyrics resolved. The thread will be left open for any additional comments or revisions.