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Title: Prologue: The Prophecy
Description: RESOLVED


TTBK - June 12, 2006 07:23 PM (GMT)
resolved
5:29 into Prologue: The One Ring (Gollum finding the Ring and taking it into the Misty Mountains) there is a rising choral figure identical to one used in The Prophecy (1:11-1:28). They both use the same text:

The Prophecy
Tercáno Nuruva/[The] Herald of Death

Timestamps for the FOTRCR track:

[5:33]Ter
[5:35]cá
[5:37]no
[5:39]Nu
[5:41]ru
[5:43]va


I don't know the thematic significance of the music. (yet ;))
ttbk

Incanus - June 15, 2006 06:04 PM (GMT)
The rising figure is not a theme.
Here is my post to Doug Adams concerning the "motif" and his answer:

"The other motif I have noticed is this rising motif heard in many places
throughout the trilogy usually involving doom or foreboding. It is first
heard in the Prophecy 1;16 and in the film Prologue 5;33-48. It is used in
TTT and ROTK more but it is clearly a motif. The motif can be heard e.g. in
the beginning of the track 5 on the OST of ROTK and in the track 14 on TTT
OST."
Doug's Answer:
"Well, here's the thought behind this one. That "figure" is nothing more
than the pitches of a minor scale rising up and sustaining in the strings.
This is an extremely common Shore device - he often creates these mounting
clusters of tones in the divided strings. And it's not just a LOTR device, it's
just part of his compositional language. Since it's not a unique LOTR device,
and since it's nothing more than a scale, it's not what we considered
thematic material. It's a touch call, but really the deciding factor was that
there was nothing specifically associated with this tension figure - therefore
it was a Shore device not a Tolkien device, and hence not a "theme."


magpie - June 30, 2006 07:13 PM (GMT)
You know... all this time I've stated (and I think most would have agreed) that the prologue music heard in the regular CD was not in the movie. And when I listened carefully to the Complete Recordings to find 'all' the singing, this one escaped me. The singing is just so soft and, although it sounded familiar (due to being heard on the cd) well... after umpteen listens everything sounds familiar.

Interestingly, the Annotated Score does not list The Prophecy as souce text - either by providing it's full text or by mentioning is use in track 1 (of the CR-FOTR). But, soft as it may be, I do believe there is singing there and I'm not even fussing with what is being sung since we've done that for the regular cd - which I trust you've consulted.

I will consider this a resolved issue with much thanks to TTBK.

On a side note, I'm preparing the new information but I may wait awhile to upload it. Don't be surprised if you don't see it on the website right away.

TTBK - June 30, 2006 07:58 PM (GMT)
It is a bit soft, the recording differs in that respect from the more forceful similar section on the OST, and I'd never noticed it in the film...


And for extra surety, Doug Adams confirmed this in the 'LOTR Package Update?' thread.
QUOTE
>>>While the full text isn't present in the CR, unless I'm mistaken, one phrase of it is: at 5:33-49 of "Prologue: One Ring To Rule Them All" (Gollum finding the Ring and going into the Misty Mountains) I hear "tercano nuruva". This passage is nearly identical to 1:12-28 of "The Prophecy".>>>

Yes, you’re absolutely right. All of this will be discussed in more detail in the book. Can’t give it all away, right?  ;)

Must be patient while waiting for the book...must be patient...




ttbk




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